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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #607
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-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Wed, 1 Jun 94 Volume 94 : Issue 607
-
- Today's Topics:
- 6146A vs 6146
- Antennas on Taurus Wagon
- Dallas Ham fest?
- Fancy testing some Macinosh HyperCard software ?
- Field Day!
- Help: FT-5200 LED Replacement
- IPS Daily Report - 01 June 94
- Logging software?
- re;N7RO QSL bureau
- Reality check (was Re: Ham Radio few problem)
- WANTED: Any Icom IC-3SAT mods
-
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- policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
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-
- Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 19:26:17 -0400
- From: dale.ksc.nasa.gov!algol.ksc.nasa.gov!k4dii.ksc.nasa.gov!user@ames.arpa
- Subject: 6146A vs 6146
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <9405252323.AA11606@flowserver.stem.com>,
- dave@flowserver.stem.com (David Adams) wrote:
- > which states that only 6146As should be used. Can anyone enlighten
- > me on the specifics of the 6146 family? I've put together quite a
- > collection of spare 6146s and 6146bs and hate to think that it was
- > all for naught.
-
- Dave-
-
- There may be differences in plate dissipation and inter-electrode
- capicitances, between the members of the 6146 family.
-
- In repeater use, one of the members was reported to have higher noise, but
- I can't recall which.
-
- The most significant difference from my point of view, is that the 6146B
- (and possibly 6146W?) has a welded plate cap. The older versions had a
- soldered plate cap. Due to high peak plate currents in a Class C amplifier
- used for FM, the solder will eventually crystalize, and the plate cap will
- come loose. This doesn't happen with a welded plate cap.
-
- The loose plate cap was the most frequent failure mode I experienced, using
- a pair of 6146's in a GE Prog Line repeater. On rare occasion, the heat
- generated in the loose connection can crack the tube. Re-soldering with
- ordinary solder, is a short-term solution, since it quickly oxidizes again.
- Use of a higher-temperature solder might help, but just for a little
- longer!
-
- Considering availability of tubes, you may be eventually forced take what
- you can get!
-
- 73, Fred, K4DII
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Jun 1994 21:31:42 -0400
- From: news.bu.edu!transfer.stratus.com!jjmhome.jjm.com!not-for-mail@purdue.edu
- Subject: Antennas on Taurus Wagon
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I will soon be getting a Ford Taurus wagon. I'll be installing a 2M rig
- and an HF rig. I'm trying to decide where to install the antennas.
-
- For 2M, I'm leaning towards a permanent, roof-top installation. For HF,
- I'll be using a Hustler mast, and I have no great ideas on how to mount
- it. On my current car, I mounted the HF mast via a heavy aluminum plate
- bolted to the underside of the steel bumper. However, the bumpers on the
- Taurus appear to be much flimsier and I'm concerned that the flexing caused
- by the mast would be too much stress. Of course, there's always the option
- of having it mounted though the sheet metal on the side... unlike the 2M
- installation, however, it can't be later passed off as a cell phone mount.
-
- If anyone has any experiences mounting antennas on Taurus wagons, I'd love
- to hear about them. I can be reached at nc1n@jjmhome.jjm.com or
- chr1@hp1.ndhm.gtegsc.com.
-
- TNX
-
- --Charlie Ross, NC1N
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 01:35:10 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!dbmartin@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Dallas Ham fest?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I am looking for some information about a Ham fest that will be hold in
- the Dallas Tx area in June. Does anyone know where and when?
-
- Thanks.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Jun 94 09:51:57 GMT
- From: uchinews!ncar!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!news@rsch.wisc.edu
- Subject: Fancy testing some Macinosh HyperCard software ?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Hello All,
-
- I have just finished a HyperCard Stack that will allow control of a Yaesu
- FT-747GX.
-
- I now need your help.
-
- I am looking for people that have a Macintosh and a FT-747GX
- (or perhaps any other Yaesu radio) who can help me beta test
- this stack.
-
- If you would like to help just let me have an e-mail or street
- address and I'll send you off a copy.
-
- Kind regards, Sean.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 01:46:12 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp!jandrews@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Field Day!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- armond@delphi.com (armond@delphi.com) wrote:
- : FD is the funnest thing in AR.
-
- Certainly is a day I look forward to all year (the no sleep hang over is tough,
- though!).
-
- I also use marine deep cycle batts that I bought at Sears. On sale, the smaller
- one was < $50 and is about 70 Ah. Here's the fun part...I bought a 1' x 1'
- solar panel, put in a diode and charge the battery with it. Then I can
- get the bonus points for natural power! You must discharge the battery (a
- card came with the battery showing when it is discharge which doesn't
- equal totally flat) then charge it with some natural means. I usually start
- 6-8 weeks before field day to make sure I have a full charge. I get about
- 200-300ma from the panel in sunlight.
-
- Have fun on FD, I hope to work you!
-
- -jim
-
- --
- Jim Andrews h
- Engineering Productivity Group h
- Hewlett Packard hhhhh ppppp
- Microwave Instruments Division h h p p
- Santa Rosa, CA h h ppppp
- e-mail: jandrews@sr.hp.com p
- amateur packet mail: kc6pjw@kc6pjw.#nocal.ca.usa p
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 01:50:31 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp!jandrews@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Help: FT-5200 LED Replacement
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Dave Kinzer (kinzer@dtsdev0.sps.mot.com) wrote:
- : In article <2s2aiq$1gh@news.iastate.edu> A3.GAP@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU (Glenn Pearston) writes:
- : >
- : >I have a YAESU FT-5200 that has one of the LED's used for back-
- : >lighting burned out. I don't want to send it in to have a simple
- : >LED replaced, has anyone opened up the face plate of a FT-5200?
- : >Any suggestions or comments?
-
- : There are control head disassembly instructions in the owners manual.
- : I've not had to do it, but it looks pretty easy. Incidently, my
- : schematic shows 3 9 volt light bulbs, not LEDs. This would be consistant
- : with the white color of the backlighting. Perhaps they changed it for
- : newer models.
-
- : -dave
-
- Yes, they are light bulbs, and I bought mine direct from Yaesu parts in
- Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A. They weren't too expensive and came very fast.
- The back of the control head comes off easy enough, but you need to get
- to the fron, which requires the removal of a little nut, if I recall
- correctly. It was under some green locktite, so I didn't see it right away.
- I think you also need to take off the nuts around the mike connector jack.
-
- Good Luck!
-
- -jim
- --
- Jim Andrews h
- Engineering Productivity Group h
- Hewlett Packard hhhhh ppppp
- Microwave Instruments Division h h p p
- Santa Rosa, CA h h ppppp
- e-mail: jandrews@sr.hp.com p
- amateur packet mail: kc6pjw@kc6pjw.#nocal.ca.usa p
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 23:29:13 GMT
- From: swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
- Subject: IPS Daily Report - 01 June 94
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
- ISSUED AT 1/2330Z JUNE 1994 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
- FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
- SUMMARY FOR 1 JUNE AND FORECAST UP TO 4 JUNE
-
- IPS Warning 15 was issued on 26 May and is still current.
- -----------------------------------------------------------
-
- 1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
- Activity: very low
-
- Flares: none.
-
- Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 068/002
-
- 1B. SOLAR FORECAST
- 02 June 03 June 04 June
- Activity Very low Very low Very low
- Fadeouts None expected None expected None expected
-
- Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 070/005
-
- 1C. SOLAR COMMENT
- None.
- -----------------------------------------------------------
-
- 2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
- Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: unsettled to active, apart from minor
- storm levels 09-12UT.
-
- Estimated Indices : A K Observed A Index 31 May
- Learmonth 23 4345 3343
- Fredericksburg 27 28
- Planetary 25 32
-
- Observed Kp for 31 May: 4655 3343
-
-
- 2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
- DATE Ap CONDITIONS
- 02 Jun 30 Unsettled to active, with brief minor storm periods.
- 03 Jun 30 Unsettled to active, with brief minor storm periods.
- 04 Jun 30 Unsettled to active, with brief minor storm periods.
-
- 2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
- Recurrent coronal hole activity remains in progress.
- 3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
- LATITUDE BAND
- DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH
- 01 Jun normal fair poor-fair
- PCA Event : None.
- 3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
- LATITUDE BAND
- DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH
- 02 Jun normal fair poor-fair
- 03 Jun normal fair poor-fair
- 04 Jun normal fair poor-fair
- 3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
- NONE.
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------
-
- 4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
- MUFs at Sydney were near predicted monthly values
-
- Observed T index for 01 June: 23
-
- Predicted Monthly T Index for June is 30.
-
- 4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
- DATE T-index MUFs
- 02 Jun 20 Near predicted monthly values.
- 03 Jun 20 Near predicted monthly values.
- 04 Jun 20 Near predicted monthly values.
-
-
- 4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
- Local propagation conditions may have been degraded due to night-time
- Spread F and occasional Sporadic E layer. Similar conditions are
- expected for the next three days.
- --
- IPS Regional Warning Centre, Sydney |IPS Radio and Space Services
- email: rwc@ips.oz.au fax: +61 2 4148331 |PO Box 5606
- RWC Duty Forecaster tel: +61 2 4148329 |West Chatswood NSW 2057
- Recorded Message tel: +61 2 4148330 |AUSTRALIA
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 19:18:47 -0400
- From: dale.ksc.nasa.gov!algol.ksc.nasa.gov!k4dii.ksc.nasa.gov!user@ames.arpa
- Subject: Logging software?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <CqFsBH.Kt2@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, hellman@cbnewsm.cb.att.com
- (eric.s.hellman) wrote:
- > My teenage son N2WKS (Advanced tested end of Feb --license arrived
- > this week) uses the spreadsheet in MicroSoft Works for his logging..
- > He tried a few logging programs before deciding to use the spreadsheet.
-
- Shel-
-
- Is it possible to save your spreadsheet in "comma separated", or some other
- ASCII format? If it wasn't too large, you could paste it into a message
- here, and we could all give it a try! Several different spreadsheets have
- the ability to import data from others. It would only be necessary to use
- a text editor, to clean it up first.
-
- 73, Fred, K4DII
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 2 Jun 94 01:54:57 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: re;N7RO QSL bureau
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- One comment on N7RO qsl service.
-
- I've been the QSL manager over 20years. Most of the operations were
- made by myself. They were C21/JE1CKA, S21CW, 8Q6AH, DX1TDX, VR1AK,
- VR4CW(H44CW), YJ8CW, VR8D in '70s and KH0AM in '90s.
-
- I often received the cards from N7RO for above operations with
- a Self Addressed Label and one/two green stamps for the postage.
- I replied to all the requests and sent out via seamail. I believe
- N7RO *did* the appropriate job. Not too good but not too bad.
- You should trust him. All the qsls must be sent out to the manager
- with the cover postage. If you did not get the cards through N7RO,
- it must not be his responsibility but the managers must be blamed.
-
- Tack JE1CKA/KH0AM(aka JA0CUV) <je1cka@asuka.aerospace-lab.go.jp>
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 2 Jun 1994 00:46:11 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!abyss.West.Sun.COM!sunspot!myers@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Reality check (was Re: Ham Radio few problem)
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article F40@news.Hawaii.Edu, jherman@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
-
- [Text edited out, including a note from Roger Bly claiming to jam closed repeaters]
-
- >Who is it that keeps claiming that VHF/UHF is healthy in So. Cal?
-
- Me, Jeff. Me. If it makes you sleep better at night to think that VHF/UHF
- is all rife with jamming and poor operating in Southern California, then go
- ahead and keep ignoring reality. My experience is, most repeaters in Southern
- California are *not* constantly jammed, most operators on VHF/UHF in Southern
- California *are* good operators, but we do have a few well known examples of
- "trouble". Nonetheless, in a private conversation with one of the FCC PRB
- staffers, it was expressed to me that every major population center in the
- USA has at least one "trouble spot", but that somehow Southern California has
- gained the most attention.
-
- Heck, in 1978 when I got on 2m, the WR6ABM repeater (later WB6AAE, I recall)
- was constantly jammed. This machine was in the Oakland hills, far away from
- Southern Calfornia and long before the dropping of the code requirement from
- the Technician license. Guess what? This machine was just like the MWRA
- 147.435 machine is today! Guess what? This didn't mean that VHF was unhealthy
- in Northern California 16 years ago.
-
- >Sure glad we don't regularly have these problems down on HF CW.
-
- Well, if it makes one feel better to think that HF CW is free of jamming and
- poor operating, then please continue to ignore reality. I regularly use HF
- CW (on 20m, 17m, 15m, 12m and 10m), and I've heard incidents of jamming and
- poor operating. The DX pile-ups are good examples of ill-mannered HF CW
- operating. I've also heard people intentionally jamming, in CW, DX pileups
- and SSB nets. Does this mean HF CW is all bad? Not any more than VHF/UHF
- is all bad.
-
- It is common human nature for insecure, unhappy people to deride others.
- Too bad some have to cope with their frailties by condemning others, no?
-
- ---
- * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are *
- * (310) 348-6043 | mine and do not necessarily *
- * Dana.Myers@West.Sun.Com | reflect those of my employer *
- * This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests *
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 02 Jun 1994 02:35:28 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!cat.cis.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!chaos.dac.neu.edu!chaos.dac!wy1z@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: WANTED: Any Icom IC-3SAT mods
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I recently purchased a new Icom IC-3SAT 220Mhz HT, and was wondering if there
- were any mods for it.
-
- As the maintainer of the Boston ARC FTP archives, I did check there before
- posting this. If I do find any mods which work, I will include them in the
- archives.
-
- Thanks much for any help you can offer.
-
- 73,
- Scott
-
- --
- ===============================================================================
- | Scott Ehrlich Amateur Radio: wy1z AMPRnet: wy1z@wa1phy.ampr.org |
- | Internet: wy1z@neu.edu BITnet: wy1z@NUHUB AX.25: wy1z@wa1phy.ma.usa.na |
- |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
- | Maintainer of the Boston Amateur Radio Club hamradio FTP area on |
- | oak.oakland.edu - /pub/hamradio |
- ===============================================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Jun 1994 09:59:21 -0600
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <linleyCqLoG3.4yz@netcom.com>, <2sc592$q6p@ccnet.ccnet.com>, <rogjdCqM44E.2GG@netcom.com>a
- Subject : Re: 440 in So. Cal.
-
- In article <rogjdCqM44E.2GG@netcom.com>,
- Roger Buffington <rogjd@netcom.com> wrote:
- >What is needed in Southern California is a radical reform of the way 440
- >is coordinated, with private and closed repeaters sharply limited with
- >respect to coordination. It has worked wonderfully on 2 meters.
-
- The reason it's worked wonderfully on 2 was that the closed repeater groups
- were told to move to 440. Many years ago. They've been there for a LONG time.
- Now you want ot change the rules in midstream and destroy their investment in
- their equipment and site, just so you can yak on another frequency.
-
- Have you got pockets deep enough to defend coordination groups from the masses
- of lawsuits they'd get by implementing the change you want? They're not going
- to risk their livelihoods on doing that, and I don't think they should.
-
- Folowups to .policy, where this discussion belongs.
- --
- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
- jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
- To Sarah Brady, Howard Metzenbaum, Dianne Feinstein, and Charles Schumer:
- Thanks. Without you, I would be neither a gun owner nor an NRA life member.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 2 Jun 1994 01:30:27 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!kabuki.EECS.Berkeley.EDU!kennish@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <1994Jun1.155833.11624@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, <2sih81$4rm@agate.berkeley.edu>, <1994Jun1.221408.20183@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
- Subject : Re: 440 in So. Cal.
-
- In article <1994Jun1.221408.20183@newsgate.sps.mot.com>,
- Dave Kinzer <kinzer@dtsdev0.sps.mot.com> wrote:
- >In article <2sih81$4rm@agate.berkeley.edu>
- >kennish@kabuki.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Ken A. Nishimura) writes:
- >>>terms. I would propose that terms be limited to ten years, long enough
- >>>to obtain an adequate return on the equipment investment, and short
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >> (remainder of dribble removed)
- >>
- >>Since when was Amateur Radio a Financial Investment? I think you
- >[snipped]
- >>had time to get things working right. Yanking the coordination after 10
- >>years is stupid -- nobody will want to make a long term investment of
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>time and effort and their own money. This is the same kind of short
- >
- > Speaking of dribbling... I proposed 10 years as long enough, obviously
- >you think longer is needed. You want to tie up the frequency for 50
- >years or something? I say that is too long to allow for changing public
- >resource needs. Incidently, I didn't say your investment would be
- >confiscated, just the coordination would be yanked. I find it funny
- >you would chastise me about the investment, then say exactly the same
- >thing. Go buy a clue or something.
- >
- >-dave
- >
- Fine -- I am guilty of bad word choice. But your original message construes
- that the repeater owner is trying to recoup his/her initial (monetary --
- equipment costs money) investment. ("long enough to obtain an adequate
- return on the equipment investment") Return of what? 10 years to get
- back what? My original point stands... I hope you aren't implying that people
- go into repeater ownership to make money -- plunk down some change, put
- up a repeater and in 10 years the dues pay it off plus a tidy little
- profit and get out. Not only would it be illegal, but it would be
- totally against the spirit of amateur radio. Anyhow, on to more
- general items -- I was just a bit taken aback at your original suggestion
- (which may have been misinterpreted)....
-
- I don't think you would be terribly happy if you had a repeater, well
- run and popular, and had the coordination yanked as 10 years came up
- and were bumped by someone who really didn't care too much about how
- his/her machine performed -- just that he/she was next in line.
- Suppose this replacement machine is run closed -- tight as a drum....
- I happen to like the machines I use, and would be very unhappy to
- see their coordination yanked (therefore forced off the air) just
- because 10 years came up.
-
- Like I said earlier, I wouldn't mind a method where after 10 years, a
- case could be made that the repeater wasn't being maintained to
- current standards, that a notice to show cause be issued by the
- coordinating body. However, a blanket 10 year term gets the good
- with the bad. Some machines should be booted off the next minute,
- for some, 50 years may be appropriate. It all has to do with
- individual situation. I support the following as grounds for
- decoordination: abandonment, modification of repeater to
- change the coverage area such that interference occurs, violation
- of part 97 including wanton negligence that allows violation of part 97
- to occur, not keeping the machine in compliance with contemporary
- technical standards (i.e. if the machine drifts across three channels
- in the course of the evening). Transfer of trustee is a trickier
- issue. I have to think about that, but if it is a good machine, why not?
-
- While I don't live in SoCal, I have visited, and worked "closed" machines
- as guests. You just have to ASK. I assume that many will ask that you
- contribute to the costs of maintaining the machine if you are a regular
- user -- that is fair. In fact, in about 2 weeks, I will be in LA again,
- and will once again test my theory to see if being nice will get me
- kicked off or not...
-
- If I were the trustee of a machine, I would run it as a closed machine.
- Why? To keep some semblance of contact between myself and the users.
- Would I chase away visitors? No. All I would ask for is a howdy,
- my name is ..... If you are a lid, then I would ask you to go
- away. Part 97 can be twisted to read that a repeater owner is
- REQUIRED to know and grant express permission to use that repeater.
- The new FCC 610, which we all will be required to sign in the next
- 10 years specifically states that as a licensed operator, "the station
- to be licensed will be inaccessible to unauthorized persons." This
- implies all repeaters must be closed (which is the FCC's current
- pseudo-opinion). (i.e. the trustee must make sure that all
- people on the machine are legally licensed with tech or higher
- privs -- lest he/she face a NAL from the FCC -- hope it doesn't
- go this far, but it could). Besides, what makes it so clear that
- if you kick someone off, and you replace the machine, you will get
- someone who is more "benevolent" than the current owner?
-
- There are repeater owners that only require courtesy, a bit of common
- sense and participation as the entry to "membership" -- some will even
- refuse to take financial contributions.
-
- I also doubt that the so called "no-codes go away" clubs will let no-codes
- in, if asked nicely. I think most repeater owners know that
- courtesy and good operating practices don't correlate well with license
- class...
-
- There is bound to be a slow, but sure turnover in the machines anywhere,
- SoCal included. People die, lost interest, tire, run out of $$, you
- name it. People's attitudes change...
-
- I see you totally ignored my comment about 1280. There is an added subtle,
- albeit twisted, advantage to 440 remaining closed -- it forces new machines
- up at 1280 and beyond. Face it, we're gonna lose part of 2400 soon, and 3 GHz
- is next. There is going to be a great re-alignment in the microwave
- bands caused in party by PCS and also in part by the mandate to
- sell off spectrum. If we don't populate up there, it'll be gone faster
- than you can kerchunk a machine.
-
- I can understand why you forward your idea -- its like term limits. Very
- appealing now, since you are frustrated. But I cannot condone a system
- whereby you automatically kick people off after 10 years. Not without
- some review mechanism.
-
- Finally, a question that donned on me. Why haven't more people gone
- to GMRS? There are repeaters, and I'm sure the licenses are on terms,
- subject to public review... For those who get into ham radio to
- be appliance operators (nothing wrong with them) and chit chat
- on the radio, it seems like a good alternative to me. You even
- get full privs without code :-)o
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- -Ken
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